The Venting/Ranting thread [rebooted]

[COOLOCKER]

dhakapapa actually it's my normal browser game that is shot to hell hun, I've done a little on the practice table in Bluestacks and had one game but I just don't like the controls, it's just a bit coincidental that Jimmy said his game suffered after he tried BS and now mine is going the same way. It's very frustrating

Exactly the same Nan, my game on the browser version was shot to pieces, lol.

[johndoe]

there are differences from PC to mobile, the biggest one is the force which is quite frankly ridiculous in the PC version
it usually needs very little and if you have a cue with high force you only need to apply the smallest amount (compared to BS)

you also do not have the cue force on your side as you do on BS where it's also divided by 5 lines which actually makes it a lot easier to determine what force you need
another good thing is that you can set your shot and then you don't have to worry about moving mouse and losing your aim which is a great advantage as well
i remember it was frustrating for me to transition to BS and i lost quite a few games but i didn't care about the coins since i only played mostly rome

Nanny Ogg idk about hackes in NGL but it would make sense if there are more there, i mean if you could hack the game that's the table that would offer the best advantage in game
on the other tables people can at least aim the normal shots

[bogus6948]

the biggest one is the force which is quite frankly ridiculous in the PC version
it usually needs very little and if you have a cue with high force you only need to apply the smallest amount (compared to BS

I dunno if that is the biggest one, but it is certainly up there.

Other differences I found that mattered a lot would be aiming / lining up your shot. In the emulators, for one thing, your lining of the shot is much easier and more precise. You don't for instance ever wind up in the 'off by one pixel' or 'unable to lock in directly on any line' by virtue of being able to initially line the shot up then using the fine-tuner to precisely lock it in.

Another difference is that as long as your mouse is within the power area, your stick aim doesn't ever wander as it sometimes can even in the middle of drawing back in the pc game.

I still play the Pc game over the emulator though, for the following reasons -

1. I can play it on the OS I use and don't have to switch OSes just to play a game.
2. The browser version loads faster by FAR, using an emulator, you have to load the emulator first, then load the game. Even with the emulator already up, if you change between 2 characters, it takes a friggin long time to do so.
3. In the emulator it seems like your constantly updating the game, for this game, that is a LOT of updating.
4. The Pc version has far less (bears repeating, FAR less) in game pop-up ads, and they don't pop up anywhere like they do in the emulator.
5. Every part of actually playing works out faster in the browser, i.e. lining up your shot or aiming / setting the power/shooting is all one thing in the browser. If you switch sticks a lot, though, that is faster in the emulator.
6. Time to enter an actual match still goes to the emulator, especially when in tournaments.
7. Level matching also still goes to the emulator, as far as I can tell, the emulator will at least attempt to match you to someone close in most circumstances, there is *no* load leveling in the browser

Anyway, that is my take on it.

[johndoe]

bogus6948
1-if you use BS you don't have to switch anything
2-idk what your system specs are but that depends entirely on those
(BS still loads faster than the browsers version)
3-updating the game how? not sure i get what you mean
4-in BS you can setup a shortcut key to instantly close any add that pops
(saves you time from scrolling with mouse and clicking)
5-true but it's a lot easier to aim, place spin and use proper force in BS
6-that's a good advantage since there's more players
7-benefit of having more players, easier to balance games
(not that i care about player's level and i don't believe it matters at all actually)

[bogus6948]

johndoe748 -
1. I can play it on the OS I use and don't have to switch OSes just to play a game.

1-if you use BS you don't have to switch anything

My OS (operating system) is Linux, and while there are several emulators for android on 'nix, none of those run the 8bp apk. To use BS, I have to switch to a supported OS, which pretty much in my case would mean Windows. In the browser, the game is OS agnostic, and can be played no matter what you are running for a base system, even rPi.


2. The browser version loads faster by FAR, using an emulator, you have to load the emulator first, then load the game. Even with the emulator already up, if you change between 2 characters, it takes a friggin long time to do so.

2-idk what your system specs are but that depends entirely on those (BS still loads faster than the browsers version)

I don't know how you came to that conclusion, we've discussed system specs before however, I am talking about on a 1 to 1 comparison (i.e. the same system).
In BS, you have to load the emulator *first, and then once loaded, you click on the **game which then has to load.

Compare that to opening the game in a browser, the browser takes almost no time to load (if it isn't open already), the game loads in a shorter time than opening an emulator and then opening a game.


3. In the emulator it seems like your constantly updating the game, for this game, that is a LOT of updating.

3-updating the game how? not sure i get what you mean

Are you kidding? While I was testing out BS, the game changed versions at least 6 times. Each time, the apk BS was using had to be updated, or I got the message "you need to update to vers. x to play".

In the browser, you have no such nonsense mainly because they are probably never going to update it again. However, even if they did, you wouldn't see it, your already "Up to date..." by nature of being served the game as it is heh.


4. The Pc version has far less (bears repeating, FAR less) in game pop-up ads, and they don't pop up anywhere like they do in the emulator.

4-in BS you can setup a shortcut key to instantly close any add that pops (saves you time from scrolling with mouse and clicking)

In the browser, there is exactly 1 in game popup that is an ad. It pops up infrequently / rarely. I don't mind clicking it once ever 30 minutes or so of playing.

In the emulator, shortcut closer key or not, the frequency of seeing those in game pop ups is rediculous.


5. Every part of actually playing works out faster in the browser, i.e. lining up your shot or aiming / setting the power/shooting is all one thing in the browser. If you switch sticks a lot, though, that is faster in the emulator.

5-true but it's a lot easier to aim, place spin and use proper force in BS

I don't see how you consider -

1. tapping to initially place the cue
2. fine tuning or dragging to set the acuracy
3. set any spin by clicking on the cue ball
4. moving to another part of the screen to set the power level

to be easier than -

1. move mouse to set aim on the shot / click draw / back to set power
2. use arrow keys to set spin

but that may just be me

6. Time to enter an actual match still goes to the emulator, especially when in tournaments.

6-that's a good advantage since there's more players

I agree completely, however, I would point out that it is pretty much limited (on the tables I play on) TO the tourneys. I suspect players like our friends Coollocker and Nanny might have to wait a tad longer to get into places like Rome, but since I've never been there, I wouldn't know for sure.

7. Level matching also still goes to the emulator, as far as I can tell, the emulator will at least attempt to match you to someone close in most circumstances, there is *no* load leveling in the browser

7-benefit of having more players, easier to balance games (not that i care about player's level and i don't believe it matters at all actually)

I suspect that is largely a matter of opinion. I've played a LOT of single digit level players, and I always make sure to play my best (right up to the last shot) no matter what the level.

Even at that point, they make a lot of mistakes I can sure see at my current level that I would not have seen as a blatant mistake when I started playing this game.

I don't know what level you are, but considering comments you've made, I would suspect it is pretty high, therefore someone else's amount of experience in the game is likely to not matter as much in your case.

Load leveling goes far beyond just a person's level, though, and when I say load leveling, I am talking about a number of statistics just based on what the game already keeps track of. Some of these would be -

• The level range - thsi would be a graduated range based on your level. I think below level 10, you shouldn't be matched against anyone higher than that. Lvl 10-30 shouldn't be matched against anyone less than that. Lvl 30-80, etc etc etc.
• Win / loss % - not as important, but I think should be combined with the lvl as an average metric.
• Tables played at - for lower players if your facing someone who regularly frequents say Rome, and you've never even heard of it never mind played on it, then I think that type of match is a bit off.

The above is only a subset of the total number of metrics kept track of and isn't a complete list of what I think is involved in good load leveling, but it should show that I am not merely talking about a persons level.

Load leveling is common in almost all games, it puts you up against people of similar skills and time spent in game, the only reason I could see for someone arguing against load leveling would be if you want to be able to win at any cost, instead of competing in an equitable manner against people of your own skill levels.

Before someone else says it, I know that someone could say, get to level 800 and then start a new character and compete against players starting out for the first time. I am not saying load leveling would eliminate that, I just think it is a far rarer occurrence than not.

[johndoe]

1-too bad, kinda surprised to hear there isn't an emulator that can run 8 ball on linux
2-it takes a few seconds to load, regardless of what you use and the BS version does load faster
(i am strictly speaking of loading the 8 ball pool app not loading BS as well but that is also fast enough)
you can also leave blue stacks running, it eats very little system resources to hinder anything
-changing accounts is also almost instant, you can simply use google play login with saved info for both
3-i've only seen the update thing a few times and since you probably only installed it first time there were more updates
4-yep i agree the adds on BS are annoying and they are popping all over but as i said i can instantly close anything
5-i don't click on the spin, i have a shortcut key for that, i only use the mouse to place the spin where i want
yes you do have to move the cue and then adjust the power but you won't have the problems you get on the PC version
-on PC if you accidentally move your mouse while you want to shoot you have to re-adjust the aim again
-you can also misclick and cause a foul, i've seen that happen a lot more on PC than on BS
6-trying to play rome on PC is like watching paint try, it was like that when i was on PC and i think it's same or worse now
7-in terms of low level for new players then yes, you can say it matters but it's more of how much playing experience that player has
i doubt any low level players will play in higher tables and there are a lot more players in low games as well so it's easier to balance
there's also practice mode so if a new player feels like he gets stomped all the time he could just play practice until he feels comfortable

anyway i used to be exclusive PC player and i never thought i'd switch to BS and get used to it but i did and i like it more
the only hard part is the transition and you have to be patient but it's definitely worth it, too many goodies that you miss out on PC

[Hwli]

I play PC only. My old computer is barely able to run 8bp - it uses about 60% of cpu capacity. As bogus6948 mentions level matching above,the level range seems to be highly inconsistent on the PC. I played a level 999 in sydney and the next player was a level 21. What's that about?

[bogus6948]

1-too bad, kinda surprised to hear there isn't an emulator that can run 8 ball on linux

I don't mind it heh.

2-it takes a few seconds to load, regardless of what you use and the BS version does load faster
(i am strictly speaking of loading the 8 ball pool app not loading BS as well but that is also fast enough)
you can also leave blue stacks running, it eats very little system resources to hinder anything
-changing accounts is also almost instant, you can simply use google play login with saved info for both

a.) I am talking about the entire process to get into the game, and
b.) you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but something that uses at least 2 cores just to be playable (won't even get into ram use) isn't exactly what I'd call "light weight" on system resources.

3-i've only seen the update thing a few times and since you probably only installed it first time there were more updates

There were 4 after installing the original time, and 3 more when I tried the (already installed) one again a few months later. But whatever.

4-yep i agree the adds on BS are annoying and they are popping all over but as i said i can instantly close anything

I don't have to rig any keys to close the single pop up I have to deal with heh, but again whatever.

5-i don't click on the spin, i have a shortcut key for that, i only use the mouse to place the spin where i want
yes you do have to move the cue and then adjust the power but you won't have the problems you get on the PC version
-on PC if you accidentally move your mouse while you want to shoot you have to re-adjust the aim again
-you can also misclick and cause a foul, i've seen that happen a lot more on PC than on BS

I don't have to go near the spin, or touch my mouse :p
I watch the cue and make sure it hasn't moved on the draw back.
Que sera

6-trying to play rome on PC is like watching paint try, it was like that when i was on PC and i think it's same or worse now

Like I said, I don't know cause i ain't there yet.

7-in terms of low level for new players then yes, you can say it matters but it's more of how much playing experience that player has
i doubt any low level players will play in higher tables and there are a lot more players in low games as well so it's easier to balance
there's also practice mode so if a new player feels like he gets stomped all the time he could just play practice until he feels comfortable

Now that is just silly. I see players up to 400+ in Sydney heh.

anyway i used to be exclusive PC player and i never thought i'd switch to BS and get used to it but i did and i like it more
the only hard part is the transition and you have to be patient but it's definitely worth it, too many goodies that you miss out on PC

I'm glad you enjoy it, I sure don't miss it.

[johndoe]

some versions of blue stacks use a lot more resources, i remember i had the latest version and it was using A LOT of RAM up to 16-20gb and a bit more CPU as well but not so ridiculous as RAM
here's a screen of what this version uses (the version I got that is actually decently optimized is 4.190.0.5002) first tab shows what BS is using while running 8 BP and second one shows BS with no app loaded
you might have slightly higher CPU usage when playing (maybe 3-4-5%) and more while loading adds but for the most part it's negligible and if you really need to you can simply just close 8BP and reload when needed https://i.ibb.co/D1nJnPp/cpu.png
i just compared load times on PC and BS and they are both around 8-9 seconds give or take so overall it's pretty much the same (talking strictly loading 8BP and not opening BS as well)
rest of the issues i think we pretty much covered already, in either PC or BS version they aren't game breaking or hard to adjust to from either side going back or forth if you are willing to invest some time into it

[Nanny Ogg]

And Another Thing !


May I introduce you to a truly dirty player...........





He called "Epic Game" at the start of a 10m game in Seoul when it was my turn. Normally I wouldn't dream of playing all indirect for that much but since he was such a high level I thought he could be trusted and it would be fun regardless of the outcome.

I potted my first 3 balls then missed and you can guess what he did can't you ?

Yep he played straight 8ball and called "In your face" as he cleared the table and won.

I'm pretty sure you can also guess the litany of foul names I called him, at least 2 of which began with a C LOL

[Nanny Ogg]

And Another Thing !


Talk about adding insult to injury, an hour before my previous post I was playing on my alt account and decided to log in to bluestacks and get the same freebies that I got on my Nanny Ogg account last week.

I was really happy to get 6 golden shots !

At least I was until I played them LOL

I went back to my browser because I'm not used to the mobile controls and missed the first 2 shots due to using too much power, we'll call those my rangefinder shots LOL

Third shot got me 50k on the outer ring of the target.

Fourth shot got me 75k on the second ring.

Fifth shot got me 60 cash on the third ring and I was definitely finding my range now LOL

Sixth and final shot and I was really careful because I didn't want the bullseye, I wanted another 60 cash LOL

And I got it and I was a very happy old lady at that point............... except they didn't give me the cash, it just closed the game and asked me to pay £1.99 for some more shots.

Bastards LOL

[d4ve_tv]

Nanny Ogg First of all, loved your story about that dirty bassTurd player who shafted you! He is truly a low-life
As for the Golden shots... Once you hit the 60 cash, it goes away. You can't get it again... at least that's how it works for me on mobile. Is that not the same for you???

[johndoe]

there are 2 seasons pass golden shots each time each season, the ones nan got are from the trophy road i guess?

[Nanny Ogg]

johndoe

Yeah hun, I got 8 lucky shots and 6 golden shots on the trophy road and I was also surprised to be awarded an extra Berlin ring, which I guess was because they took away a lot of my Berlin wins when I logged in to bluestacks for the first time, which probably explains why I didn't remember getting a Berlin ring on Nanny Ogg.... because I didn't, they gave it to me in exchange for the 68 wins I already had LOL


d4ve_tv

OMG D4ve if only I had known that !!! I would have gone for the bullseye instead and I had the range and angle and force down pat after 5 shots so I probably would have got it LOL

[COOLOCKER]

And Another Thing !


May I introduce you to a truly dirty player...........





He called "Epic Game" at the start of a 10m game in Seoul when it was my turn. Normally I wouldn't dream of playing all indirect for that much but since he was such a high level I thought he could be trusted and it would be fun regardless of the outcome.

I potted my first 3 balls then missed and you can guess what he did can't you ?

Yep he played straight 8ball and called "In your face" as he cleared the table and won.

I'm pretty sure you can also guess the litany of foul names I called him, at least 2 of which began with a C LOL

Argh, and the scummer happens to be from Ireland, which hurts me a little, lol. But im guessing that you will come across him again in the not too distant future Nan, to exact your revenge. I wouldnt mind joining his club just to call him out, then leave, lol.

[Nanny Ogg]

And Another Thing !


Does anyone have any idea why my level star colour just went from blue to gold ?
OMG I'm always a bit suspicious of people with gold stars and now I've been turned into one ! LOL

[bogus6948]

I have no idea Nanny Ogg , you were the one that pointed stars out to me in the first place

I play PC only. My old computer is barely able to run 8bp - it uses about 60% of cpu capacity. As bogus6948 mentions level matching above,the level range seems to be highly inconsistent on the PC. I played a level 999 in sydney and the next player was a level 21. What's that about?

Heh, I count my blessings I have not hit that kind of bad luck yet Hwli. I usually start my day playing people only 3-6 times my level (50'ish) heh. I feel so bad when I run into a real new player, I usually just toss them the game

[dhakapapa]

OK so I encountered another blatantly obvious cheater earlier today but I did not lose my cool because I was playing a 10K Miami.
It was a low-level player from Iran and he had a whole array of cheating tools.
He made me run out of time very fast, after I played the table was reset as if I didn't play at all and it was his turn again, and so on, lol.
So i just let the clock run out every time when it was my turn and let him finish the game.
As I expected, I got a full 100% refund of 10K after the game ended.

I have been telling this several times already, the system know who most of the cheaters are and give higher or complete refunds to players who lose from cheaters (if they have legendary cues)
(but either nobody believes me or is not interested to know this)

Whatever.
During my lunch (risotto with chicken with mushrooms and grated cheese on top) I was thinking about this and I think that money-clip knows about the cheaters and does not take action against them because if they have a larger number of players they get more money from the advertisers.

What say you ?

[Nanny Ogg]

What say you ?

I say.............. nice lunch




PS It's not a question of belief hun, nobody should be surprised at anything Moneyclip gets up to, but we need to hear from someone playing for millions of coins, if they get all their coins back when playing an obvious cheat too.

If not, then it might just be that they are giving back 100% because it's a low value wager. I bet no-one gets back 25million in Berlin when they lose regardless of who they play.

[bogus6948]

(but either nobody believes me or is not interested to know this)

...or they don't have a legendary cue (like me)